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- From: dave.haynie@scala.com (Dave Haynie)
- Subject: Re: >>>>>>> The Future: Amiga goes PC (...aeh: "PowerMsPenti...?) <<<<<
- Sender: news@scala.scala.com (Usenet administrator)
- Message-ID: <1996Jan10.220720.12776@scala.scala.com>
- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:07:20 GMT
- Reply-To: dave.haynie@scala.com (Dave Haynie)
- References: <judas.0gku@tomtec.abg.sub.org> <1407.6572T116T2147@plea.se>
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- Organization: Scala Computer Television, US Research Center
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- In <1407.6572T116T2147@plea.se>, mats@plea.se (Mats Magnusson) writes:
- >>Yeah right. Akiko is not faster compared to modern c2p algorithms.
-
- >>> If there was an Akiko in every Amiga, this action could be done with
- >>> 2 moves on a 040.
-
- Clearly, what you want in every Amiga is some form of corner-turn
- memory, not an Akiko, which is a system glue chip, specific to the
- CD32, that just happened to have a small chunk of corner turn memory
- put in, although management didn't want it at the time. That was
- Hedley Davis' design; I had a different corner turn memory design in
- the AAA system specs.
-
- >Well, another stupid thing about Akiko is that it also holds
- >equalents to both the 8520's, but all i/o ports are not let out of
- >the chip case,
-
- That's not a "stupid thing", that was intentional. The pin count on
- Akiko, as with most chips, is quite limited. Integrating the 8520 bits
- that a CD32 required was the proper job -- that you can't as easily
- turn the CD32 into a full Amiga may not make you happy, but the CD32
- designers were determined to make the CD32 a viable system. Start
- adding in stuff you don't need, the costs go up, and it's CDTV all
- over again.
-
- >which means
- >that you still must have two standard 8520 also to get the paralell port,
- >disk control signals and other such stuff...
-
- A parallel port is a piece of cake to add. If you have software
- expertise as well, there's no need to put an 8520 out there for
- parallel -- just write a new parallel.device. That's likely to happen
- in future Power Amigas anyway; I can imagine AT supporting some or all
- of the 8520 registers, whatever is reasonable in any custom work they
- do. But parallel and serial ports are a dime a dozen off the shelf,
- better ones that you'll get out of an 8520 design. There's no need to
- put that stuff into a custom part anymore.
-
- >Why didn't they implement c2p in denise,
-
- The corner turn conversion is CPU managed -- you don't want to have to
- wait for chip bus register access for that. Not to mention that RGA
- space was nearly used up. If they did anything in Lisa, a chunky pixel
- mode would have been the thing to do. It probably could have been done
- in Lisa, but Alice was very close to the limit of what could have been
- done to the old Agnus design, and that's also where most of the work
- would have to have been done.
-
- >an ugly but easy to bulid way
- >would just be to bypass the shift registers for each bitplane, and instead
- >display the byte in each of the 8 bitplanes as a chunky pixel.
-
- It's not quite that simple; you still need some temporary
- storage. Every chip bus graphics cycle, after all, fetches 8 bytes,
- not one. But sure, I suspect some clumsy chunky mode could have been
- managed with a few additions to Lisa. I really don't know if it had
- been discussed; perhaps there was some feeling that the end result
- would be just as bad as no chunky mode at all (ok, now, here's how
- you draw a line....).
-
- You could play with this kind of thing in an AA system today, if you
- really wanted to. Put Lisa in LUT-bypass mode, store up 8 planar
- pixels, then shift 'em out in weird-chunky mode (basically, you're
- putting a registered corner-turn memory as a Lisa post-processor); you
- would probably want a LUT or something after that, which would
- complicate the experiment all the more.
-
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